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June 19th, 2008
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I enjoyed Ender's Game. If I really let myself think about the premise, I would be very disturbed, but I am good at ignoring such things. And I really wanted to know what would happen. Of course, 36 year old me had a good idea what the observers really meant, but I can utterly believe that 12 year old Ender didn't.

Speaker for the Dead made me think even more. But I found it interesting that one of the concepts directly opposes Star Trek's Prime Directive. I will likely be thinking about that off and on for quite some time to come.


But Xenocide I am having some trouble with. For one thing, I feel like I am missing a whole volume of the story. For another, I am not sure what story is being told. It's just kind of ...odd. All of it, really. There's no part I can point to and say 'well, that part's not odd'. If I were reading, rather than listen, I think I would have abandoned it, I am failing so utterly to click with it.

Edit: Spoilers in the comments. Not that that should matter, as the book are so old.

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From:oldwolf
Date:June 19th, 2008 01:23 pm (UTC)
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I read the books and loved them. Thick mutha's too.

There was talk a few years ago of Enders Game being made into a movie.
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From:tessagratton
Date:June 19th, 2008 02:20 pm (UTC)
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I wish I could remember Xenocide better, because when I read it I loved it. Not as much as I loved Speaker for the Dead, but I'd love to be able to talk about what seems odd to you.
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From:solan_t
Date:June 19th, 2008 02:36 pm (UTC)
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Well, first off, I am not sure what the hell happened before the book starts. The forest is burned? Buggers are guarding the human town? Keeping humans in? Keeping piggies out? What? Greggo (keep in mind I am only hearing names, so spelling is going to be off) is in jail, someone else is dead. Novina isn't speaking to Ender. What the hell? And most of THAT was all from one-off comments throughout the story.

The Hive Queen speaks to someone occasionally. That someone isn't named. I assume it's a father tree, but....

Now, the Council wants to erradicate all life on the planet because there is a virus that will utterly destroy any biosphere it encounters. But the piggies and the Hive Queen blighthly talk about sending colonies out.

THEN, we get to the 'Outside' and 'pattern-holders'. I kind of choke on those.


I DO find it amusing that Ender, never one to think small, ends up creating two humans. Now, usually such humans get depicted as shoulder-sitting angels and devils, but Ender gives them the form and names of his siblings. "Peter" is larger than life and twice as evil, but 'Young Val' is coming off as a non-entity. Is this intentional, I wonder?

Sure, the situation is rife with things to think about, but.... This whole book seems like too many philosophical issues strung together with a thin string of plot.
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From:queza7
Date:June 19th, 2008 06:53 pm (UTC)
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The Ender trilogy confused the heck out of me too, even though I've read it 3 times now. I think I'm coming a little closer to understanding it each time, however. I think it would probably help if you were reading it and not listening to it - at least, I absorb information better in print.

If you liked Ender's Game a bunch, you should check out Ender's Shadow - it follows Bean's story, and I think it's even better than Ender's Game. There are also 3-4 spinoffs of what happens to Bean and the other Battle School children when they return to Earth, although they do get Very Political and I'm still working on understanding those, too. Not as much in the way of philosopy, though.
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