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March 16th, 2006
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This leaves a sick feeling at the pit of my stomach.
Yes, it's tragic to those involved directly, but... I fear what the backlash will be. I truely do. If everything was actually done right... how is the government going to 'do something' to make it look they are trying to 'keep this from happening again' when this really is the risk we have to take? There ARE no alternatives to direct human testing.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/4807042.stm

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From:skyflame
Date:March 16th, 2006 09:38 pm (UTC)
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The concern I had with this particular trial is that 6 of the 8 people who were tested became immediately ill, and some of them may well die in a short period of time because the drug is so new that the staff just may not know how to handle the side effects. I know every time you do something like this it's a calculated risk, but the apparent fact that so many of the subjects had such an immediate negative reaction for this specific drug gives me the heebie-jeebies.
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From:solan_t
Date:March 16th, 2006 09:59 pm (UTC)
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2 of 8 people got placebo. The other six are in hospital. That's pretty bad. It sounds like an allergic reaction, too. The "why" may be important. It may well be that it's just humans this drug does this to.
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From:verminiusrex
Date:March 16th, 2006 10:46 pm (UTC)
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I noticed in the US they had a problem with an Alzheimers (sp?) medication trial, 11 patients died. That may have been a cosmic fluke, but it does make you worry about participating in a medical trial.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060316/ts_nm/eisai_aricept_dc;_ylt=Ar2_nuBpOelo3fHuuSO7pxKs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3ODdxdHBhBHNlYwM5NjQ-
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From:solan_t
Date:March 17th, 2006 12:33 am (UTC)
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The thing with that study is, they were working with ill patients. Yes, statistically, the number of deaths was significant... but we are talking about people that have a history of stroke and heart disease. That many deaths COULD have been bad luck. The British study was of healthy individuals and there's just no way that was a fluke. Of course, there could have been something wrong with the study (a larger dose than intended, that sort of thing), or even something in their food, but....
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From:keltickefiwolf
Date:March 17th, 2006 12:01 am (UTC)
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Man... How scary... I hope they manage to pull through. But you're absolutely right- we can't allow ourselves to be paralyzed by unfortunate occurances such as these...
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From:socialdragnfly
Date:March 17th, 2006 01:31 pm (UTC)

That's

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Just Fucked Up!
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From:electron_pusher
Date:March 17th, 2006 04:22 pm (UTC)
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I was reading about that the other day and thinking about one of the placebo guys reactions.

They were talking about watching this horror scene unfold and they knew they were going to get it too.

Then I think about the guilt / survivor complex they're going to go through.


On the stuff about the rules and whatnot, it did say that for new drugs they're supposed to stagger the application for just this reason. It sounds like in this case that all 8 took their drugs at the same time.

It's bad anything happened, but I agree that maybe doing one at a time would have been a good idea (or even try one, wait, then try the rest).

It'll also be interesting to see if they really did do it "right" and how this drug didn't show any bad effects in other mamals.

*sigh*.
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From:solan_t
Date:March 17th, 2006 05:03 pm (UTC)
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From what I can see, they likely did stagger the administration and that's why only two are in critical still - the ones that went the longest without treatment. Unless there were varying levels of drug given, in which case the two worst off could have been given the largest doses. But I see, over and over, tath
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From:electron_pusher
Date:March 17th, 2006 05:41 pm (UTC)
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Seems like your post got cut off.

Anyhow, I see your point you were writing :). We'll find out soon enough I suppose :).
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From:solan_t
Date:March 17th, 2006 06:13 pm (UTC)
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Huh! I think I was in the process of fixing the typo when I got interupted. Such is life. I think I was going to say that I keep seeing, over and over, that the clinical staff did everything they were supposed to, and even commendations on their quick response.
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