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March 2nd, 2007
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If someone has to work to get me something - be it clean water, medical attention, heat for my home, power, the roof over my head, the clothes on my back - why the HELL should I, or anyone else, expect to get it free?

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From:next_bold_move
Date:March 2nd, 2007 02:42 pm (UTC)
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In the specific case of medical care, I don't think anyone should have to work to be provided a basic level of preventative care. That some get it for free while others have to work for it has been the evolution of the welfare state in reaction to our fear of socialism.
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From:solan_t
Date:March 2nd, 2007 02:55 pm (UTC)
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But the medical provider has to work to provide it! Why shouldn't the one provided to, pay for it?
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From:clevermanka
Date:March 2nd, 2007 03:01 pm (UTC)
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Because you were born after 1980 and your sense of self-entitlement is so staggering it's likely to collapse under its own weight?

Not that I have strong feelings on that or anything.
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From:pyrrhus
Date:March 3rd, 2007 02:54 pm (UTC)
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a belated second. Though, I'm guessing that sense of self-entitlement is not nessecarily date of birth based.

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From:clevermanka
Date:March 3rd, 2007 03:08 pm (UTC)
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I don't think it's soley based on age, either, but the mentality certainly seems more prevalent in that age group. Kids these days!
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From:walsfeo
Date:March 2nd, 2007 03:22 pm (UTC)
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The things that make society possible should not be charged for, because the more people who have access to those essentials the more successful society has the potential to become. I'm not saying they should be free, but their could be a way to tie benefits with participating in society.

Clean water should be part of that.
Basic medical care (First Aid and most importantly tending to contagions) should be part of that.

Not providing life's essentials puts those at financial disadvantage at a much greater disadvantage than those who don't have them, and being part of a strong society we should want everyone to have their basic needs met, better yet if we can do so in a way that encourages further participation.
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From:solan_t
Date:March 2nd, 2007 03:43 pm (UTC)
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Clothing is a need. Shelter is a need. Food is a need. Why are these not free?
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From:solan_t
Date:March 2nd, 2007 04:31 pm (UTC)

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I am complaining about people thinking a doctor's services is a right they don't have to pay for. I don't think anyone will ever convince me a service, provided by another human being, can ever be a 'right'.
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From:walsfeo
Date:March 2nd, 2007 07:48 pm (UTC)

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All communicable diseases should be treated under a social obligation. Make the damned doctors that are getting rich do "pro bono" style work in clinics.

Records of treatments for transmittable diseases should be forwarded to a proper authority so they can watch for outbreak hotspots and epidemics. Yes, the information would have to be scrubbed clean of personal identifiers before being submitted, but it is easy to do that if the system is set up with such concerns.
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From:silverfae
Date:March 4th, 2007 03:15 am (UTC)

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Um... how much do you pay the teacher for Thomas' education?
Isn't that something we consider a right? yet another human provides it.

Let's just say we disagree on what we consider a right in our society.
I come from a country that provides health care for all its citizens, even those like me who have taken citizenship in another country. America's health "care" system is disgustingly broken, in my opinion.
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From:oldwolf
Date:March 2nd, 2007 04:46 pm (UTC)
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With services there is always a cost involved. Even the Devil offers payment plans.

However if it's a gift, then that's different. Or so our social mores tell us.
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From:darkgaze2002
Date:March 2nd, 2007 06:13 pm (UTC)
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damn.... it just ate my reply and now I have to go to work...grrr
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From:dragonet2
Date:March 3rd, 2007 05:03 am (UTC)

I'm not going to start

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Just think about Thomas dying of a dental abscess gone bad, because you are a single mother with a minimum-wage job(s) and to try to take him to a dentist is foolishness because the expense would make you homeless. Or other such "choices' (say that mother finding a lump in her breast).

It's happening here, in the U.S. of A.

http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2007/02/go-ahead-and-die.html

We need to go the Canadian type of system as soon as humanely possible. Or the shit is going to hit the fan.

Doctors aren't the ones making buttloads of money, except when they are in a specialty like plastic surgery.
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From:darkgaze2002
Date:March 3rd, 2007 07:06 am (UTC)
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I am trying this again and dragonet2 gave me a great lead....

I am happy to pay for any service, within reasonable costs. When I took Cameron in to the ER for a broken finger I was charged $800 just for getting his name in the computer. Yes, I know that includes the five minutes of monitoring they did for temperature and heart stuff. Yes, I also know that paid for the nurses' time and the utilities we used(light and heat, possibly water) However, I feel that on top of this we were charged for service fees that I am still getting in the mail, several months later, such as a $500 dollar fee from the doctor who incorrectly diagnosed the break and just put a band-aid on it. I know that he is using the money to pay off his school debts and practitioner's insurance, and the way he treated us, he needs it. I am still getting bills to pay for the X-Rays and what ever little thing the hospital can pin on. Did I mention I had no insurance at the time? His finger got smashed the day after the old insurance ran out and in between our new insurance coverage begining...

I really believe that no matter your station, race or gender, health care should be provided for. I feel that it should be all encompassing. That does not include plastic surgery, but, say wisdom tooth removal, appendix removal, pre-natal care, hell, why stop there, why not abortions?
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